"I’m just obsessed by Lionel Bart. He’s just an amazing character. When you get someone like him who really understood Dickens, you’re away, it’s a chain of brilliant people. I think these songs are very similar to what dad was writing, I mean he pre-empted him, Lionel Bart, but ‘Pam’s Moods’ and Oliver are really similar in the construction of language. The language is so fucking brilliant in Oliver, the melodies, it’s just unbelievable songwriting. That 1960 production, Ron Moody who plays Fagin is particularly brilliant."
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