"This is from Laughing Stock, I wanted to choose something from this, Sprit of Eden or Mark Hollis’s solo record, which I love. Chris Taylor loves those records and when we were doing Shields I got really obsessed with them. I didn’t hear Talk Talk until after we made Veckatimest, maybe it was because ‘80s reference points weren’t fashionable when I was growing up. There’s something in the silence and space in this music that feels like it’s not made by a person, it feels like the record made itself. I guess that was their process, players would come in and do whatever they wanted them to do and then they took a piece of it and arranged things around it. I’ve always wished I could have been in the room when these records were made, just to see what kind of conversations were happening, if it was actually just a brutal process that they really didn’t enjoy to go through making them. There’s certain chord progressions on Laughing Stock and Spirit of Eden where you feel you just couldn’t write them, they sound like they emerged from nature, grew out of themselves and are eating themselves at the same time. With ‘Myrrhman’ especially there’s this weird turning chord progression that starts in the middle of the song, it never releases and it doesn’t let go, it’s moving around itself and imploding, with that quality of using space and silence as an instrument. “It feels like something that no one person could play, it’s like a mystery. The more you make music you try to channel whatever that mystery is, where you don’t know where something came from or how it happened, it’s something that’s totally human but comes from nowhere and you don’t know why and these records do that so well. The more we do this the more I realise that whilst making music and listening to music isn’t the same thing, it’s not really that different. Learning to be good at making music involves wanting to hear what’s going on as if you’re a passive listener, rather than ‘I want to do this and I want you to like it.’ It’s not about trying to make someone like what you’re doing, it’s channelling whatever that Gestalt thinking is that allows these things to happen. This was a real touchstone going into Shields, not so much for Painted Ruins, but it’s still something I always want to get back to, because it’s a trance-like state that feels like it came from no one, it just came out of the ether."

"I discovered this album quite recently and it transported me very much. I've had times in my life where I've wanted to go in a more electronic direction, and I find her work very inspiring because it's mostly electronic work, which she does a lot of on her own in terms of production and such, and at the same time it sounds very organic and connected to the earth. Not everybody can do that; to do electronics and make it sound like the earth. It's an art form. I just think it's perfect. The songs are incredibly creatively arranged and written; it's all there. It all seems very effortless even though I'm sure it's taken her a lot of work to get it that perfect. But it's seamless and you're transported from one song to the next. Some of the transitions are just so inspired; it's inspired and it's inspiring. It's rooted, and that gives it a sort of spiritual value which is lacking, and which we're losing. We live in a system that will seek to cut us off from our roots and cut us off from our connection with the universe. And that's our sense of direction, like the birds: they know when to migrate. They have this connection to the universe and that tells them, they have this sense that comes from the earth up, and we are losing this. But it's present in her album, this connection, in a very vivid way. And of course it's nourishing because it's pointing in that direction: this is where we connect to the earth, to our past, to our ancestors who knew so much. In the past 50 years we've unlearned so much. Our great-grandparents probably knew a lot about the land, where things come from and the cycles, and these are very important things so you aren't disoriented in this world. You have a sense of how things work in the natural world. There was probably less disorientation then than now, in terms of people consuming fewer antidepressants and things like that. Juana has this quality of being able to connect to ancestors and a whole knowledge that's been there for thousands of years and we're now cutting ourselves off from. I wouldn't blame it on the technology itself, but more on how it's being used, and to what ends. It's technology in the service of a system that will seek to disconnect, so we consume more and think less, creating desires for objects that we don't really need, and narcissism, and developing aspects of human traits that should really be kept in check."